Yes, just because Sam was under a siren's spell doesn't mean he wasn't telling the truth -- in fact I think that was pretty much an "in vino veritas" situation. After all, we know that what Dean said to Sam was true. Damn, maybe Dean is in Hell.
Wow, I am really growing to hate Sam this season. It's like he's not Sam at all anymore. I dunno. I'm sufficiently kerfluffled at this point that I don't have any meta thoughts. Just -- JESUS, Sam, you can be one cold-ass mean son-of-a-bitch.
I agree. I'm glad I'm not a Samgirl because I'd feel obligated to defend or make excuses for this behavior. But you know, regarding "he's not Sam at all anymore"...I kind of feel like Sam always had this side to him. If Jess hadn't been killed and the Yellow-Eyed Demon hadn't come back into the Winchesters' lives, do you think Sam and Dean would have been close? Do you think there would have even been any place for Dean in Sam's life? I doubt it.
I'm still interested in him this season, though. I figure using his powers makes his pride worse. Also somebody on my flist pointed out recently that the thing about Sam is that people have always been about him. Dean revolves his life around him. He takes it for granted that he's important, that people do things for him, that they care about him. But I can believe Dean in Hell has screwed him up in ways he doesn't really get. He let him down by not being the all-powerful brother he always seemed like, he made Sam feel guilty. Now he's trying to make it back about Dean holding him back, resenting that now he feels like he has to step up and use his powers--even knowing that he really wasn't forced into it.
I think he's interesting too, but I'm wondering where they're going with this. Because right now, they've pretty much erased any sympathy I ever had for Sam and they either need to correct that, shed light on it, or just really go all the way with it.
Man, I wish I could say I think you're wrong. But I don't, not even slightly.
Jesus. I need a fanfic story where Dean -- shit, I don't even KNOW what I need. Maybe one where Dean's finally had enough, decides he'll hit the road for a while.
In other words an AU, since Dean will NEVER do that. JESUS.
YES. This is a beautiful point. Really, if the supernatural hadn't intervened, they'd basically have the relationship we saw with the djinn, only probably less cordial.
I've always felt bad for Dean in that relationship because it's really hard to be the person who needs the other person and isn't needed back. As one of my favorite fics put it, "the person who loves the other person more is fucked."
I think Dean subconsciously (or maybe even consciously) believes that he needs other people a lot more than they need him...unfortunately he's collected a fair amount of proof that this is true. Sam took off to college, Dad disappeared on him, Sam talked about going back to school if they managed to kill the YED (I'll never forget the look on Dean's face when Sam said that -- like someone had kicked him in the guts and run over his dog at the same time). It's little wonder that he didn't think twice about sacrificing himself for Sam. I'm sure he was convinced that Sam would carry on just fine after he was gone and, sadly, that's exactly what happened, so Dean now has even more proof that he's dispensable to those he cares about. :(
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I'm still interested in him this season, though. I figure using his powers makes his pride worse. Also somebody on my flist pointed out recently that the thing about Sam is that people have always been about him. Dean revolves his life around him. He takes it for granted that he's important, that people do things for him, that they care about him. But I can believe Dean in Hell has screwed him up in ways he doesn't really get. He let him down by not being the all-powerful brother he always seemed like, he made Sam feel guilty. Now he's trying to make it back about Dean holding him back, resenting that now he feels like he has to step up and use his powers--even knowing that he really wasn't forced into it.
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Jesus. I need a fanfic story where Dean -- shit, I don't even KNOW what I need. Maybe one where Dean's finally had enough, decides he'll hit the road for a while.
In other words an AU, since Dean will NEVER do that. JESUS.
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I don't want Dean to be all by himself though. We need Dean-shacking-up-with-Bobby fic. :(
And yes AU, of course.
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I've always felt bad for Dean in that relationship because it's really hard to be the person who needs the other person and isn't needed back. As one of my favorite fics put it, "the person who loves the other person more is fucked."
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