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SPN 5:17

Okay, I liked that episode, in spite or maybe because of the very unfortunate coincidence that a genuine backwoods Apocalypse-fanatic militia was busted by the Feds last week, which means that Kripke was just Kripked...BY REAL LIFE!!!! And which also means that in America 2010, fiction's got nothing on reality, but I sort of knew that already.

I liked everything up until that baffling head-scratcher that was inexplicably tacked onto the end. Did you have any idea that the yoga instructor that Dean remembered most fondly as "Gumby Girl" was, in fact, the great love of his life? Because I sure didn't.

I mean, like I've been saying, I think the series is definitely heading in a direction where Dean's going to wind up settling down but...I thought they'd build up to that. You know, as in over time. I should know by now that SPN never "builds up" to anything, it's always just POW BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THAT COMIN' DIDJA!?!

I never imagined that Dean's feelings for a girl he had a brief, torrid fling with nearly ten years ago went so deep that she would be the one person in the world he most wanted to see before he went and offered himself up to the will of heaven. And that the protection of Gumby Girl and the boy who may (or may not) be his son would be numbered among the "conditions" that would be attached to his sacrifice. POW BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THAT COMIN' DIDJA!?!

Just for that, Show? You're sleeping on the couch tonight.

Sidebar One: Dean totally let that really cute blonde kid die because only Dean's allowed to be the prettiest.

Sidebar Two: The big marquee above Madison Square Garden today was advertising that tonight was the 100th episode of Bones (how is it possible that show's been on that long? I feel like it premiered two years ago). I'd love to think I'll see one up there next week for SPN but I'm pretty sure the CW is too damn cheap to rent that kind of real estate.

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Yeah, I honestly didn't even really know who she was. It seems, frankly, like the main reason they think she can be this important is that she's got a kid. He can see himself happy with her because he doesn't know anybody else with a ready made kid to take care of imo.

The rest of the ep I really liked. I'm always happy when it remembers that the central conflict is b/w doing what "god" (as in angels) command vs. doing what you think is right.

Looks like Castiel's going to be pretty angry about this. Which is funny because my first thought was of course that this is where Sam comes in and makes Dean see that he's worth more than this and he loves him. It will be funny if it was Castiel who did that instead.

I was on the edge of my seat when Castiel was sitting outside there, thinking that we were finally going to get that moment of real understanding and comfort between the two of them that we've all been yearning for but then they just used it as an excuse to rehash the "deadbeat dad" line, which like I said, just doesn't work for me at all. Don't tell me that John Winchester was "a Righteous Man" who we all literally saw ascend to Heaven in a ray of light and then turn around and also tell me he was a deadbeat. And at this point Dean's attitude towards his father is completely schizo because NOW we know that Dean knew from childhood that John was willing to abandon his family (and we also know that he had another "wife" and son that he treated a hell of a lot better than his first set) and yet Dean spent the first 26 years of his life nearly worshipping him?

I was really mystified by why we saw Lisa in the THEN sequence and it's funny that they had to do that to remind us who she was. I know Dean had that little reverie about her in "Dream A Little Dream" back in Season Three, but I thought that was supposed to be symbolic, as in, Lisa was a symbol of the things Dean might have wanted for himself if his life had turned out differently not...Lisa was THE ONE.

He can see himself happy with her because he doesn't know anybody else with a ready made kid to take care of imo.

I think we were always supposed to assume that Lisa was lying to Dean about Ben not being his, and to assume that Dean also knows she was lying, so this is meant to show that unlike John, Dean is NOT a "deadbeat" and is ready to take care of his son no matter what, even in the face of his own possible death and Armageddon itself.

I just...I can't. This is a facepalm for me.

I feel like they're unfortunately trying to force the two of them to be parallel when it would be more interesting to not make them be that. Dean/Castiel, I mean. Yes, Dean can relate to how Castiel feels in losing faith in God. But he can do that without pretending that they have the exact same problem. Dean's relationship with John simply wasn't the same as Castiel's w/God and that's okay. We can still get the connection without forcing it to be double, guys.

Maybe it's also that it just doesn't seem like "deadbeat" is the issue with John. Deadbeats are weak father figures, aren't they?

Also, if that's what they're going for with Dean and Ben, it's a rather odd way to prove he's not a deadbeat, reminding us that he doesn't see the kid on a regular basis.

They first started those John/God parallels back with Anna as a quick way to get Dean and Anna to bond so that they could totally do it in the back of Impala. (LOL, does this mean Dean and Castiel are totally gonna do it, too?) I guess they got attached to the concept but it only works in a really superficial and elementary kind of way as in the old apples-and-oranges thing...yeah, they're both fruit but that doesn't make them the same thing.

Also, if that's what they're going for with Dean and Ben, it's a rather odd way to prove he's not a deadbeat, reminding us that he doesn't see the kid on a regular basis.

LOL, I thought the same thing. I mean, the last time he saw this kid was three years ago. As for Lisa herself, he didn't even think of her for seven years (at least not that we know of), she wasn't on his mind during the last days of his life at the end of Season Three, and he didn't rush off to see her when he was miraculously raised from the dead and got a second crack at life. But now she's so important to him that he has to drive all night to wish her farewell and pledge his dedication to her safety on the eve of his own destruction? What??

OMG, I saw it in real time tonight--for the first time since, um, October. And on the big TV, not my computer screen!

*ahem*

You are so right about the rhythm of SPN--it's always like that--except when something takes, say, 4-5 years to happen...

As for Lisa--at least there's precedent for her coming out of left field like that: he's just telling the truth about what she's become in his (poor, addled) subconscious--it was just like her appearance in DaLDoM...You're so right about where the show's headed in terms of Dean's "happiness."

Also: absolutely fixated on those beautiful hand this week ;) I need a new icon!

he's just telling the truth about what she's become in his (poor, addled) subconscious

You're thinking about this with complexity and I don't think you're supposed to. The message you were meant to take away from that scene was not one about the sorry state of Dean's subconscious but OMG LISA IS THE ONE OMG BEN'S TOTALLY HIS KID OMG POW BETCHA DIDN'T SEE THAT COMIN' DIDJA!?!?

I noticed this week that Misha has very shiny fingernails too. Perhaps they all go to the same manicurist. Between all the prettyboys and polished nails, that set sounds like metrosexual heaven.

a day at the spa with those boys? now that sounds kind of heavenly ;)

I think Dean is more in love with the idea of Lisa and Ben. He wanted Ben to be his so badly. I don't think she is the love of his life. In DMDWP (zombies) Bobby's wife said that he didn't know that kind of love. (Which gives this a little longer thread than it just popping up at the end of this episode.) I think that Dean is trying to fill in the blanks of his life. Lisa and Ben make the ready made family that he can now protect and it also gives him a legacy, something he can leave behind besides Sam. Dean is just at the end of his rope and he is swinging wildly.

I like the idea of Dean "filling in the blanks of his life" but man, that seems way too subtle for SPN. Lisa's THE ONE. Ben IS his son. Do you want to place bets now on whether Dean will be married to Lisa at the end of this series?

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Please remember that Sera Gamble is the new showrunner, and Lisa and Ben were first introduced in one of her episodes. They are not going to be killed. They are being set up as a major part of Dean's future.

I'll take that bet, because I couldn't stand it if it turned out that way! As far as the subtlety, I want to believe!

I couldn't stand it if it turned out that way!

*gazes into crystal ball*

I see disappointment in your future, Iontas. Grave disappointment...

Huh, I always thought Cassie was more the love of his life, she's the one he actually confessed to, as to what he does. I agree with him being more in love with the idea of a family in Lisa and Ben, rather than Lisa herself.

The show has a great tendency to erase characters when they are no longer necessary. Pastor Jim was established in Season One as being very close to the boys in their youth, more or less a guardian to them, but once Bobby was introduced (and proved to be so popular), he was retconned into their honorary "foster father," and poor old Pastor Jim was more or less disappeared from the boys' childhood. This episode actually took place in Blue Earth, Minnesota, which was Pastor Jim's hometown, but I don't recall them even bringing that up (I may be mistaken about that). The same is true with Cassie. "Route 666" was a dreadful episode and the Cassie/Dean relationship fell pretty flat, so I can understand the writers wanting to pretend that never happened, but fans have long memories and it is hard to forget that of all the women Dean has known, Cassie was the only one that he was ever supposed to have been in love with.

I agree with him being more in love with the idea of a family in Lisa and Ben, rather than Lisa herself.

I wouldn't get too attached to this interpretation if I were you. When the Apocalypse is inevitably averted, is the show just going to drop Dean's emotional confession that he has enshrined Lisa as the embodiment of his ultimate happiness? I mean yes, what Dean said was tantamount to a "deathbed confession" but what is he supposed to do when the death doesn't happen? Clear his throat awkwardly and say, "Um, Lisa, about all that stuff I said..." That's veering off into the realm of screwball comedy -- not that the show hasn't tread that territory before, but I don't think that's going to happen this time. The series will end with Dean settling down. I have no doubt about that. And I have no doubt that this unexpected re-introduction of Lisa was meant to establish her as the eventual Mrs. Dean Winchester.

I always thought Cassie was more the love of his life

Same here.

I guess we're supposed to fanwank that Cassie was a youthful first love that Dean has gotten over...or else just forget all about her, the way the writers have. "Route 666" was widely considered the worst episode of Season One and the character of Cassie was almost universally rejected by viewers, so I wouldn't have wanted to see her again either, but this whole Lisa thing just came out of nowhere. When she opened the door I literally had no idea what was going on for a few seconds and then I was just like..."Really??"

Yup, that Lisa was a bit weird for me too. I guess the writer loved her *shrugs* I'd have thought if Dean were to think of any woman it'd be Cassie but I guess too many fans hated her so no Cassie.

I thought the cute kid was Ben grown up! You know, with the recap showing Lisa and all. I though he had a crush on Dean lol.

Who doesn't have a crush on Dean? Men, women, angels...resistance is futile against a face like that. AND GET THAT ADORABLE ICON OUT OF MY LJ!!

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