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Just got off the phone with [livejournal.com profile] baylorsr and question arose...

Are we to assume that Chuck...actually was God, all along? Because that little disappearing act was...curious to say the least.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:39 am (UTC)
ext_6866: (WWSMD?)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Everyone on TWOP seems to think so, but I really really hope not.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oxer12.livejournal.com
I ventured over to TWoP, and they are seriously harshing my squee. I'm staying away now.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I too was harshed but then that's TWoP's stock in trade. God knows I'll pick an episode apart when I think it deserves it, but my gut reaction to that episode was pure weepy hysterics and I'm not going to question it.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
Well, I was baffled by the disappearing act but then Baylor said, "Apparently Kripke is God," i.e. Chuck was God. Which would make a sort of bizarre sense since God is the creator. And the way they had Chuck sitting there all dressed in crisp white would seem to suggest some sort of divinity.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:47 am (UTC)
ext_6866: (WWSMD?)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
I could definitely see it as a possibility, but I just hate the trope of "I'm typing and making things happening because I'm the God of this universe" thing.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I don't know. Yeah it's hackneyed but I kind of like the idea that God really did have a hand in this all along, despite all the evidence to the contrary. And it sort of speaks to the great bipolar contradiction of being a writer -- the horrible insecurity teamed up with the OMG I MADE ALL THIS HAPPEN euphoria.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:04 am (UTC)
ext_6866: (WWSMD?)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Btw, one little thing that made me question during the ep. The scene where Lucifer exploded Cas because of what he did to Michael because nobody smites his brother except him...isn't Castiel their brother too? I never quite understood the angel thing, I guess. Angels are just made by God, they don't have parents. But they play it as if Michael and Lucifer are the royal family of heaven and Castiel, at least, isn't.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I think that in SPN mythology anyway, archangels have a different relationship with each other than they do with lesser angels like Castiel. Although Lucifer was never an archangel anyway, he was the FIRST of all the angels and so he would be much, much higher than an archangel like Michael, but then in Christian mythology it WAS Michael who locked Lucifer up in hell. But this is Supernatural mythology so all the "rules" are out the window.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oxer12.livejournal.com
Yeah, that was my first question too! It makes sense, what with him writing the story the whole time. Chuck = God = Kripke. Right? That's how I interpreted it, anyway...

Date: 2010-05-14 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
LOL, now we know what Kripke thinks of himself!

Date: 2010-05-14 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurie-ky.livejournal.com
Well, if Chuck is God, then canon got kind of blitzed because Dean wearing the amulet has been around Chuck quite a lot, and it didn't light up with a big arrow pointing to Chuck. But maybe they'll come up with an explanation for that. Maybe God squashed the amulet's power.

Laurie

Date: 2010-05-14 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I think the whole amulet thing was just a red herring.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigriswolf
I don't think he was always God, just this episode.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I don't think he could not be God and then be God just for one episode. I think he just was God.

Date: 2010-05-14 03:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigriswolf
Well, like he either decided to look like Chuck, for whatever reason, or maybe his Godness woke up?

Date: 2010-05-14 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
LOL, I really don't think this sort of thing is built to withstand too much inquiry!

Date: 2010-05-14 03:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morganslady.livejournal.com
I'm thinking Chuck was God all along..

Date: 2010-05-14 03:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I think I agree.

Date: 2010-05-14 05:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emeraldus.livejournal.com
I'm with the others here thinking God was Chuck all along. That way he can keep tabs on his kids, provide a few nudges along the way.

Date: 2010-05-14 08:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com
Have you stopped crying yet? I had 3 hours sleep, woke up write a double drabble and now have to get my sh*t together to play jolly at Asylum 4. I'm still feeling shredded!
Chuck as God - I never saw that coming but yeah, it does make sense in a weird SPN universe. Interferring without interferring.
I see no reason why GodChuck couldn't have brought Sam back in time for season 6 - I envision this season to be about Sam turning his back on Dean to give his brother that chance he never had at the apple-pie life - another selfless act to go with his self sacrifice in jumping into the pit, and that the story arc will therefore show Dean not coping with the ordinary, Sam hunting alone, Bobby likewise then something happening to pull the family back together.

Plenty of room for angst (hurray!) and I wonder if it goes this way, how the relationship with Lisa and Ben will work. My money will be on one of the things that happens being a monstrous ending for Dean's pseudo family to get him footloose and fancy free again - and back on the road....

Ah these Winchesters! So much potential to break my damn heart!

Date: 2010-05-14 01:55 pm (UTC)
ext_6866: (I'm as yet undecided.)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
Wait, why would Sam need to lie and stay away from Dean for Dean to be happy? It seemed to me the end of the ep laid out that Dean could never be happy with Sam being that.

Date: 2010-05-14 02:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amber1960.livejournal.com
Ah I didn't say it would be the *right* thing to do to make Dean happy, just that he might think it was...You know how mixed up these boys are...

Date: 2010-05-14 02:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cannnit.livejournal.com
Terrible, terrible episode. Is sad....

Date: 2010-05-14 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dnalia.livejournal.com
I was really hoping that God would be the Impala, but I guess Chuck as God makes a strange sort of sense.

And, surprisingly, I think I will watch season 6.

Chuck as God.

Date: 2010-05-17 03:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anne1013.livejournal.com
No, I don't think that Chuck was God. He was, I believe, a representation of Kripke. That last narations was straight from the man himself. Telling how hard it was to end this story and that the fans would never be happy and the we were all just a roaring pain in the ass! (I'm sure he wasn't talking about us!!) Chuck disappearing at the end was just Kripke leaving as front runner for the show. It was titled "Swan Song" after all.

Loving reading all your stories and waiting for the next part of your end verse. There is going to be a third part, right? Dean and Cas go to Detroit.

Anne

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