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I have to get up early tomorrow, so I'm going to keep this short.

1. I have to assume that in SPNology, the "soul" is not the unique and brilliant spirit that is the essence of our existence as sentient beings, our connection to the infinite mystery of the universe, and indeed, that which was created in the very image of God, but is more like...that little frontal lobe of the brain that would have gotten sliced out during the old-tyme lobotomies. Because their concept of a soulless person seems to me like someone who's had a partial lobotomy or is just kind of numbed out on Thorazine or some other sort of CNS depressant.

2. I highly doubt that Dante ever wrote anything about vampires going to Purgatory.

3. Okay, so let me get this straight. Crowley pulled Gramps out of heaven because he knew that Gramps was the greatest-ever authority on all creepy-crawlies and so, was the one human being in all of history who could help him find Purgatory, which Crowley apparently wants to...colonize. Or build condominiums in. Or something. So Purgatory is like...the new Brooklyn. Crowley yanked Sam's soul out of Lucifer's spiderhole so that he could use said soul as leverage to keep Gramps in line. Gramps is going along with all this not just for Sam's soul but for some as-yet undisclosed motive, which I'd suspect has something to do with springing some loved one from Purgatory (my money's on Mary Winchester). Yeah??

4. When Castiel told Dean that his problems always come first? I don't think he was being sarcastic. He just loves him so very, very much.

Date: 2010-11-07 03:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mangokulfi.livejournal.com
I was unclear about whether or not Samuel knew about Sam's soul. He said he didn't at first along with claiming not to know how they both got resurrected. But later, he admits that Crowley brought them both back but I'm not sure he knew that Sam was soulless.

Anyway, I also think it's Mary's soul that Crowley is holding over him rather than Sam's. That's for Dean and like you, I'm not convinced that Crowley isn't lying about that either just to control Dean.

But I am also think that Sam and Crowley are actually in cahoots. Why did Sam stop Dean from burning Crowley's bones? I got a strange vibe off the two of them in that scene and I got the same vibe in this episode. And JP was telegraphing shifty!Sam all over the place right at the end when he was convincing Dean to work with for Crowley. I don't trust Sam even slightly at this point and thankfully, I don't think Dean does either.

Date: 2010-11-07 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
Why does Crowley need to control Dean? Why do they even need Dean at all (aside from the obvious fact that the show had to get his character out of suburbia and back into the story)? Why was it okay to let Dean idle away with Lisa for a whole year but then suddenly so urgent for him to be back on the road? The Campbells can't stand him so they didn't want him around and Sam supposedly has no emotions so he couldn't have wanted him around, so then who did?

Date: 2010-11-07 04:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.livejournal.com
When you put it that way there's only one answer because there's only one person who wants him around.

Clearly Castiel got Dean back into hunting so that he'd have a reason to call on Castiel for help. Cas was too shy to just drop by his house in the suburbs.

Date: 2010-11-07 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
Of course! *giggles* Oh, that lovelorn Cas!

Date: 2010-11-07 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mangokulfi.livejournal.com
This works too. :D

Now I'm imagining Cas talking to the other angels about playing hard to get. Is it going to be too obvious if I answer every time he calls? Maybe if I show up only every third time, maybe he will miss me more and learn to appreciate me better? Oh Cas.

Date: 2010-11-07 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mangokulfi.livejournal.com
This is exactly what I'm wondering. It makes absolutely no sense for anyone to want Dean there since they all know he's just going to gum up their elaborately silly plans. And yet, they all seem way more focused on Dean than on Sam.

It's all about manipulating and controlling Dean. I mean if Crowley was as smart as he thinks he is, he'd just kill Dean right there. Sam wouldn't care because he has no soul and Samuel doesn't care about the lack of Sam's soul so why should he care about a dead Dean? The whole thing makes no sense unless there is actually a reason why they all want something from Dean.

Date: 2010-11-10 02:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I guess this might be what Sera Gamble meant when she was talking about this season being "noir." Maybe Dean is supposed to be the protagonist in the middle of a situation where he knows nothing is what it seems and he knows everyone is lying to him, but he doesn't yet know what they're lying about or why, and he can't let on that he suspects anything. I don't know. I really think your "elaborately silly" is a more succinct way to sum up the current state of affairs.

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