New SPN Season 7 Spoilers...

[oselle]

From SpoilerTV:

"Episode 7.03 of Supernatural will be called "The Girl Next Door"

A young girl called Amy is being cast for the episode who will appear in flashbacks of Sam. Sam saved her from being bullied when they were 15 years old.
Later she saves Sam's life and is disappointed when he won't leave town with her.
In the present Amy is in her late 20s and has settled down with a job, a mortgage and an 11 year old son and is very surprised to see Sam again.

Also being cast is a possible recurring "terrifying hit man" in his 30s/40s who is described as "scary like Javier Bardem in "No Country For Old Men""

In keeping with the apparent theme of "redundant," I'm going to repeat what others have already said and point out that this plot of Sam re-encountering a girl from his past who is now a settled-down mom of a tweenaged son sounds awfully...familiar. I know they have to create a Dean-lite episode for Jensen to direct, but it would have been nice if they'd come up with something all new. However, since I know that Andrew Dabb & Daniel Loflin wrote this episode, I'm glad Dean isn't in it much since they both seem to enjoy making Dean look like a pathetic loser (q.v. "Yellow Fever," "After School Special," "Dark Side of the Moon.")

As for the "terrifying hit man" in the possibly recurring role, I wonder if this is part of the "outlaw" theme. That would be funny because you're not really an outlaw if the person who's after you is a psychopath who's outside of the law himself, but considering how ass-backward this year's attempt at noir was, I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.

All in all, not very promising.

Comments

Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[kinkthatwinked.livejournal.com]

Okay, I love Wee!chester fic as much as the next girl, so I’m looking forward to the flashback scenes already. Beyond that, I’m already wondering why I should care for this young woman. I suppose the main purpose of this ep is to remind us of Sam’s roots, the brilliant, angry young man with the dangerous, terrifying childhood (and destiny) who still cares passionately about doing what’s right. You know, to offset the unconscionable, self-centered liar he’s become.

And in Sam’s defense, they sowed the seeds of these personality traits in the pilot episode, when they had him hiding his past from his future fiancée. Still, it seems everything that also made the guy lovable – his empathy, his sincerity, the way he USED TO feel guilt and internal conflict – has taken a backseat, to the point where the ‘good side’ seems to have vanished completely. Maybe it’s time for me to erect a mental tombstone:

Sam Winchester
Born: Pilot, 2005
Died: No Rest for the Wicked, 2008

Because the Sam I once loved is never coming back. I admit it, I’ve always preferred Dean, but in the beginning he was not the only reason I tuned in. Now he is, and frankly I miss caring about both of them.

As for Amy, unless they’re gonna tell us that Sam got laid at 15 and Amy’s kid, unlike Ben, really IS part Winchester … well hell, at least that would count as something different.

On the bright side, Jensen’s directing again. I do like the idea of him branching out.

I’d ask you to stop reading spoilers because you’re only depressing yourself, but your posts keep me up to date, so in my own selfish interests, please continue. *is appropriately abashed*

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[oselle.livejournal.com]

I suppose the main purpose of this ep is to remind us of Sam’s roots, the brilliant, angry young man with the dangerous, terrifying childhood (and destiny) who still cares passionately about doing what’s right.

I don't know, I think it's too late for that. Part of me feels like this will be some attempt by Dabb & Loflin to correct the version of Sam they showed in their "Dark Side of the Moon" -- you know, the guy who had fonder memories of a stray dog than of his own brother. Now they're going to show us a heroic teenage Sam? I don't know. Honestly, I got nothin'. I have no idea what the point is here.

I also can't help thinking of the pitiful teenage Dean they gave us in "After School Special," and it really bugs me to think they're going to write teenage Sam in a far more positive light.

On the bright side, Jensen’s directing again. I do like the idea of him branching out.

I can honestly, if callously, say that I don't care if Jensen's directing, especially not when it always means sitting through a virtually Deanless episode. Considering I mostly watch the show for his face these days, I prefer him in front of the camera.

I’d ask you to stop reading spoilers because you’re only depressing yourself

Actually no, it doesn't depress me. I avoided spoilers back in the days when I really expected something from each new season, but this year, I'd rather be prepared.

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[kinkthatwinked.livejournal.com]

When I read that this episode would have a flashback, my first thought was “they’re gonna show young Sam defending this poor bullied girl so all the Sam!girls in the world can cheer and melt.” I thought, why make such an over-the-top attempt at tugging heartstrings? Maybe TPTB have realized how far off course they’ve gone with Sam’s characterization, and the first order of the day is winning the fans’ sympathy back. And I absolutely agree with you, ‘Dark Side of the Moon’ is just one example of why it is far too damned late – hence the tombstone. The damage is done, and in the hands of these writers, irreparable.

But does this strike you as the kind of writing/producing team that accepts (or are even aware of) how much they've screwed their own characters? Of course they're gonna try, and probably think they're doing a hella good job, too. *facepalms*

Considering I mostly watch the show for his face these days, I prefer him in front of the camera.

Can't argue with that logic! :D

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[kinkthatwinked.livejournal.com]

Speaking of Jensen's face, have you seen this post from obsessions_r_us?

http://raloria.livejournal.com/1328677.html?view=16296741#t16296741

I'm not talking about the Smallville caps, but the photos that wallpaper the page, with the scruff and the blue plaid and the outdoor setting and ... yeah. :)

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[mangokulfi.livejournal.com]

LOL! Yep redundant and boring. I wonder how much of a Sammy Sue he's going to be written as in this epsiode? Although D&L actually tend to write Sam as a humorless self-absorbed dick, so maybe this is their penance from Gamble.

I'm actually more annoyed that there is apparently no young Dean in this episode -- not that I think Brock Kelly was even remotely good, but his lack of presence suggests way more focus on Sam than I have any interest in. I am also curious as to why they once again gave Jensen an episode with almost no JP. Do they really have so little trust in his onset shenanigans that they have to write him out of an episode in order to let his costar direct? Is he really that difficult to handle?

Personally I wish this had been a Cas episode because obviously Jensen's and Misha's mancrushes on each other would likely produce onscreen magic. ;) But I'm not even sure he's going to make it past the first couple of episodes. *sigh*

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[kinkthatwinked.livejournal.com]

I am also curious as to why they once again gave Jensen an episode with almost no JP. Do they really have so little trust in his onset shenanigans that they have to write him out of an episode in order to let his costar direct? Is he really that difficult to handle?

Damn. I've never even heard any of the onset rumors, aside from the "they're not talking" jokes from 'The French Mistake.' If you're willing to indulge me, I'm curious. How much of a spoiled brat is JP, reportedly?

Re: Still nursing a broken heart after all these years ...

[oselle.livejournal.com]

Although D&L actually tend to write Sam as a humorless self-absorbed dick

Yeah, but I always get the feeling from their scripts that they're pretty okay with him being a humorless, self-absorbed dick. God, after the ugly, nasty mess of "Yellow Fever" I thought these two would never be invited back -- instead, they became regular contributors. LOL, shows how little I knew back then about the way they think on this show.

I am also curious as to why they once again gave Jensen an episode with almost no JP.

That is weird, isn't it? I'd hate to think that Jared would be that much of a punk.

The obvious choice if they needed an episode with neither Jensen nor Jared would have been to write one focused on Castiel, but as you said, he'll probably be more or less history by then. Then again, the power of those mancrushes could have either produced onscreen magic...or kept them from getting any work done because they were too busy blushing prettily at each other.

[mulder200.livejournal.com]

You know I thought the same thing. The only difference between this and last year is the focus is on Sam instead of Dean.

Fresh and interesting my ass.

[oselle.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm at least hoping that Amy won't turn out to be the great love of Sam's life.

[mangokulfi.livejournal.com]

I read that Amy and her Mom are monsters who collect brains in glass jars. I guess Sam's got a definite type.

[twirlycurls.livejournal.com]

My God you would think they would LEARN after the Lisa/Ben fiasco and all the convolutions they had to go through getting rid of them.

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

LOL! Sorry, I look forward to this conversation: OMG, a girl I slept with has a kid just old enough to be my son!

Wow. That happened to me too.

Yeah, only I was a teenager because I was always more advanced than you. And also I saved the girl from bullies rather than just screwed around with her because I'm a gentleman and you're a fuck up. Which is also why my ex is a middle class lawyer with a career now. And there won't be any jokes about how I'm an irresponsible screw up for possibly getting somebody pregnant.

Somehow I doubt the hitman will be that scary. Unless they cast another interesting male actor that fandom winds up liking. Sometimes I wonder what the show would have been like if every recurring male character had to be cast as a young hottie potential love interest. Azazel, Castiel, Gordon, Alistair, Gabriel, Zachariah, Uriel...all played by Shia LaBouef.

[oselle.livejournal.com]

I don't think they're going to go the route that Amy's kid may be Sam's son. I'd presume it's been more than eleven years since Sam last saw her. Then again...she's supposed to be in her late twenties, and if the flashback takes place when they are both fifteen, then she'd be twenty-seven now which is...late twenties. Oh God. Then again I doubt it, because I'm sure Sam's relationship with her will be chivalrous and chaste. After all, we're talking about Sam here, not Dean.

Sometimes I wonder what the show would have been like if every recurring male character had to be cast as a young hottie potential love interest.

Well, if they'd all been male potential love interests...that could've been pretty interesting! :) But of course you're right -- whether this guy turns out to be genuinely scary or not, I doubt we'll ever have to see him trying to be menacing in a negligee and lipgloss. And I especially like the description of him being in his 30s or 40s. Imagine what the writeup would have been if they'd decided to cast a woman in this role -- "Mid-twenties, dangerously sexy, a Megan Fox type."

[ava-jamison.livejournal.com]

I know, right? The only thing that cheers me is that probably Sam didn't father her child since "they" were both 15 in the given write-up. Hopefully.

It IS good the show doesn't want to be redundant.

(And yeah, I'm glad Dabb and Loflin aren't writing a more Dean-heavy episode here.)

[oselle.livejournal.com]

The only thing that cheers me is that probably Sam didn't father her child since "they" were both 15 in the given write-up.

Actually the timing would be about right -- if present-day Amy is only in her late twenties, but has an eleven-year old son, she'd have to have had him when she was a teenager, right?

Nevertheless, I think even they would shy away from being THIS redundant, plus I don't think they'd ever write Sam as having knocked up his teenage classmate and then blowing town. I swear, if they do try to create some mystery about whether this kid is Sam's or not, then I'll know they're just fucking with us.

[ava-jamison.livejournal.com]

Right. But are they really going to try to tell us that Sam fathered a kid at 15? And I thought Sam was 28 now (I could totally be wrong on that) so that would mean that if he last saw her at 15 it couldn't quite work, right? I hope.

OMG. I just realized the word "Later" up there. Surely they wouldn't. A.) As you guys say above: It's Sam. and B.) Yeah. They'd be totally fucking with us.

[oxer12.livejournal.com]

A young girl called Amy is being cast for the episode who will appear in flashbacks of Sam. Sam saved her from being bullied when they were 15 years old. Later she saves Sam's life and is disappointed when he won't leave town with her. In the present Amy is in her late 20s and has settled down with a job, a mortgage and an 11 year old son and is very surprised to see Sam again.

What the actual fuck? This is seriously going to be an episode? Somebody hold me...

[oselle.livejournal.com]

There, there...

[ghyste.livejournal.com]

As with everyone else I saw the description of that episode and wondered if Sera Gamble knows the meaning of the word “redundant”, because we already have one Lisa (and Cindy Sampson has indicated that she’s going to be back this season) so why would we need another one?

My guess about this episode is that rather than showing Sam as a teenage deadbeat dad they will go down the route of having this girl somehow offer him the chance to get out of the hunting life, an opportunity which young Sam will heroically turn down. Of course any such plotline would be undermined by the fact that “Dark Side of the Moon” showed us that adult Sam places far less value on his time living a normal life than he does on the act of walking out on his father and Dean.

I’ve not seen the spoilers about the “terrifying hit man”. Maybe Sera Gamble’s take on Westerns is derived from Westworld?

[oselle.livejournal.com]

Cindy Sampson has indicated that she’s going to be back this season

AHAHAHAHA, back so soon? God, I think I'll change the name of my journal to "I Told You So." At least three times last season I heard people saying, "Well, that's that," regarding Lisa and Ben and I was always like, No, it isn't. Jeez.

Of course any such plotline would be undermined by the fact that “Dark Side of the Moon” showed us that adult Sam places far less value on his time living a normal life than he does on the act of walking out on his father and Dean.

Considering this episode is written by the dynamic duo that brought us "Dark Side," it's extra-amusing that the premise seems to suggest Sam will indeed choose hunting rather than a chance to "leave town" with this girl. Dabb & Loflin have apparently both forgotten that they previously wrote a Sam who jumped at any chance to take off, whether it was to attend college, to shack up with a stray dog, or just to have dinner with a "normal" family. Tools.

Maybe Sera Gamble’s take on Westerns is derived from Westworld?

Looks like they're going for "No Country For Old Men" on this one. Hey, that was both Western and noir! Score! I can think of certain parties here in fandom who will just dissolve over that!

[ghyste.livejournal.com]

Cindy has tweeted about reading scripts, though no other details. It could be a flashback but reading the plot of No Country for Old Men, which I’m ashamed to say I’ve neither read nor seen, I note that it contains the perfect opportunity for them to recycle the “Lisa in danger from someone who’s after Dean” plot.

Of course, they wouldn’t do that because it would be redundant ;)

Considering this episode is written by the dynamic duo that brought us "Dark Side," it's extra-amusing that the premise seems to suggest Sam will indeed choose hunting rather than a chance to "leave town" with this girl. Dabb & Loflin have apparently both forgotten that they previously wrote a Sam who jumped at any chance to take off, whether it was to attend college, to shack up with a stray dog, or just to have dinner with a "normal" family. Tools.

Silly girl – expecting something like consistent characterisation!

[autumnvignette.livejournal.com]

Not only is this a retread of Dean/Lisa, it's a goddamn retread of "After School Special" -- only then, when Sam saved himself and that kid (Barry?) from Dirk it had a lot of nasty consequences. As much as I dislike what Dabb and Loflin did with Dean, it was a good Sam episode. Wasn't the whole point of it that Sam's intentions might have been good, but we all know where good intentions lead to?

I really, really miss season four.

[oselle.livejournal.com]

I think your icon is an accurate depiction of a day in the SPN writer's room.

[searingidolatry.livejournal.com]

I'm just going to try and ignore the utter drivel 7.03 sounds like its shaping up to be and focus on the casting spoiler.

I can't be the only one thinking "Someone who looks like Javier Bardem....hmmmm = this fella (http://totallylookslike.icanhascheezburger.com/2010/08/14/jeffrey-dean-morgan-javier-barde).

[oselle.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure JDM isn't coming back...