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That's just how Castiel rolls. A production draft from 'The End.'

Good God, can you believe this was supposed to be in the script? Is this for real?

Who is Castiel supposed to be talking to in this scene? Himself?



The End Production Draft

I should credit to hidefan@tumblr.com.

Date: 2011-06-23 11:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autumnvignette.livejournal.com
People love "Changing Channels" because they enjoy watching the boys cut up

Yeah, I know. I don't. Remember way back when when they did humor episodes like "Hell House"? "Changing Channels" can't hold a candle to that episode. I really, really dislike how they incorporate these humor episodes (started -- surprise, surprise -- with season three); I think it's really damaging to a dramatic storyarc to mix in this comedy. Which is not to say that there can never be any humor, but I sure prefer "The voice says I'm almost out of minutes!" or "Uriel is the funniest angel in the garrison, ask anyone" kind of humor. You know? I don't like the tonal whiplash SPN tends to give me.

Do they think it makes them sound deep?

And do they even try to make sense? I mean. Abel and Cain. Yeah, that would make the Winchesters special. Like everyone else on the planet. Also, Cain didn't have kids, did he? Did Abel, or was it Seth who continued on that bloodline? My Biblical knowledge is vague at best but even know to research before dropping a line like that.

Maybe they do think they sound deep. But IIRC back when "In My Time of Dying" aired and John summoned Azazel a fan looked up the symbol he was using and he was actually summoning Azazel, and this over a season before we actually learned his name! When did they lose that kind of thoughtfulness?

That was a goddamn brutal episode, and not in a good way

Oh god, I know. I love the opening montage with Dean and wee!Sam but the suckage of heaven, not to mention the lingering on Sam rejecting Dean over and over again. And, again, I ask: why do they choose to do that? They could have gone the route of Sam being excluded from the circle of Dean and Mary's love, and show how sad his happiest memories really are -- Thanksgiving with some random family and a dog (the ultimate unconditional love). But they didn't.

Yeah, don't even remind me. Ridiculous and inexplicable sounds about right. I just. I don't even. How did Sera go from writing "Are You There, God?" to "Twelve Minutes to Midnight"?

I can add you to my list if you would you like to read it

I would like to read it! Only could you add [livejournal.com profile] amoralnostalgia instead? I use this one for lurking only, basically (also I made it before I turned 18 because, well, I'm sure you can figure out why), and that one...well I don't keep it very updated but if someone wants to add me I direct them to it.

As for that post and "slavering fangirls" like her, I wish I could enjoy it, but I get so fucking annoyed I usually can't even bring myself to start a debate.

Date: 2011-06-23 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
But IIRC back when "In My Time of Dying" aired and John summoned Azazel a fan looked up the symbol he was using and he was actually summoning Azazel

I hate to burst your bubble but I'm pretty sure the whole Azazel thing was copped from a terrific 1995 episode of The X-Files named "Die Hand Die Verletzt," which was directed by the same Kim Manners who went on to a big contributor to SPN. Been a while since I saw that ep, but I think they incorporated a symbol into that one as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if they got it right since The X-Files was exquisitely nitpicky about its research.

They could have gone the route of Sam being excluded from the circle of Dean and Mary's love, and show how sad his happiest memories really are

Maybe that's what they were going for, but it's not how it played. I often get the feeling that the show is trying for one thing and winding up with something else.

I usually can't even bring myself to start a debate.

Oh, I'd never even attempt to start a debate with her. Any critique of the show is dismissed as "hate" in her world so why bother? It's just fun to watch from the sidelines. You should be able to see my post now.

Date: 2011-06-23 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] autumnvignette.livejournal.com
I hate to burst your bubble but I'm pretty sure the whole Azazel thing was copped from a terrific 1995 episode of The X-Files

Oh. Well. Copped or not, at least they tried. Now they don't even bother making an effort. With anything, it feels like.

Maybe that's what they were going for, but it's not how it played

I actually don't think they were going for that. Like, the whole time with the Dean-and-Mary scene the focus was on Dean, and with the Stanford thing they could've, I don't know, shown Sam as being 18 and angry and making his bid for freedom and Dean not understanding that, but instead we got "I don't think of family the same way you do" which, just, what? What??

Date: 2011-06-24 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
What I find funny is that Sam can make a statement like that (because his mommy wasn't around to cut the crusts of his PB&J sandwiches) and it goes more or less unchallenged, but a season later, Dean is getting a lesson on what "family" means from a twelve-year-old. Poor Dean. Always getting lectured.

Date: 2011-06-24 12:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amoralnostalgia.livejournal.com
because his mommy wasn't around to cut the crusts of his PB&J sandwiches

Exactly. I'm amazed Dean didn't say something like, "No, but I was."

Always getting lectured

He really does! I'm not sure which the earliest example is -- "It's a Terrible Life" maybe? He always has to learn lessons he already knows, too. Like in 6x11 with Tessa, and all I could think was, he knew that back in "Death Takes a Holiday"!

This show, this show. And yet I keep coming back.

Date: 2011-06-24 12:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
I'm amazed Dean didn't say something like, "No, but I was."

That's okay. There were plenty of us out here saying it for him. Pity the writers seem to have forgotten that Dean raised this ungrateful punk.

Date: 2011-06-24 01:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amoralnostalgia.livejournal.com
Pity the writers seem to have forgotten that Dean raised this ungrateful punk

Oh god, I know. I had the same reaction in 6x02 when Sam asked something about how Dean knew how to change a diaper/was so good with kids/whatever and then made some reference to Ben and Dean made a sound and said, "Yeah, Ben" and I thought that he must be thinking, "Who do you think changed your diapers, Sam?"

Date: 2011-06-24 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oselle.livejournal.com
That was a total fandomwide reaction. I don't know why the show insisted on making up that stupid story about Lisa having infant nieces or nephews when the obvious answer was right in their face. But I guess they didn't want to risk making Dean look good, or reminding the audience of things they'd rather we forget.

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